Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

With all due respect to the hard work that TC members have done on
products, I say +1 to Duane's point about our needing a top-down
approach as opposed to a bottom-up approach - and at that, a bottom-up
approach that depends on the capabilities of a specific vendor tool.

No offense intended regarding David's very hard work on the VS product.

Joe

Duane Nickull wrote:
> 
> David:
> 
> While this may be true, it is definitely premature to make this post.
>  We still have to get the doc to a 0.2 version.
> 
> There is not point in generating BPSS instances before we have a runtime
> execution engine.  I agree - there is an audience for this, perhaps the
> bp related lists may be a better forum for now.  I know this is
> procedural and burocratic in nature but I guess I am part politician now ;-)
> 
> What we need now if a scope statement, pattern work, document structure
> and  help for editing.  Love to see you contribute to that ;-)  Then
> let's discuss BP**
> 
> Duane
> 
> David RR Webber wrote:
> 
> > Matt,
> >
> > Heck - if you don't want to see what I've been working
> > on - you don't have to do any of it.
> >
> > However the good news is there are two files at the
> > link - one is a JPG and the other is an XML file.
> >
> > You can view the JPG and then inspect the XML
> > that the model generated.  By examining the JPG
> > you will see the components that go into specifying
> > a robust business process - and the supporting
> > linkages to the transport layer, the context system,
> > and transactions.  Being able to drive all this with
> > XML templates is IMHO a key need for ebSOA,
> > and while the BPSS approach may not be perfect -
> > its certainly one we should be lookiing at to
> > understand how it relates and can be leveraged.
> >
> > Also - since BPSS is middleware neutral - there is
> > a strong possibility it can be applied to the ebSOA
> > deployment environments.
> >
> > Then there is the fact that the BPSS approach is
> > derived and built-up from over twenty years of
> > evolving knowledge on business processes - not to
> > mention - tightly couples to the ebMS interchange
> > model.
> >
> > But apart from that the patterns it uses might strike
> > some as being antiquated, while others will see them
> > as essential foundation business components.
> >
> > I'm just the messenger here ; -)
> >
> > DW
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Matthew MacKenzie <mailto:mattm@adobe.com>
> >     To: David RR Webber <mailto:david@drrw.info>
> >     Cc: ebsoa <mailto:ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >     Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:44 AM
> >     Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA
> >
> >     Let me get this straight...
> >
> >     I'm supposed to get a copy of your tool, and download a BPSS
> >     sample. When I have this, I am somehow better prepared to create a
> >     ebSOA model?
> >
> >     Lots of assumptions that I do not care for...
> >
> >     - We will use VisualScript (does it run on Mac OS by the way?)
> >     - We will use BPSS as a foundation technology.
> >     - ...
> >
> >     -Matt
> >     On May 19, 2004, at 10:36 AM, David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> >         Team,
> >
> >         I've uploaded the current beta to:
> >
> >          http://drrw.net/visualscripts/
> >
> >         You will see the "NEW" BPSS V2 example marked.
> >
> >         To use this - download the ZIP file - and unpack it into
> >         the TEMP directory on your C: drive
> >
> >         (you can change the path reference in the model - but its
> >          easier to just unpack it to c:\temp to get started).
> >
> >         This new model includes the ability to define Context as
> >         part of the BPSS model - so it gives key insights into
> >         creating process models that manage the business
> >         transactional needs, context, and integration to the
> >         transport layer with ebMS, WSDL, http-binding, RPC
> >         and more.
> >
> >         I'm sure this will be a pivot point for getting our ebSOA model
> >         and details honed so that it all works harmoniously.
> >
> >         Next I'm working on a quick PPT tutorial - so people can easily
> >         step thru and create their own BPSS from scratch.
> >
> >         Enjoy, DW
> >
> >         p.s. I'm also looking at the jBPM JBOSS engine - figuring I can
> >               drive jBPM from the BPSS models....and thus transport
> >               layer and implement a foundation piece for ebSOA...
> >
> >     ___________________________
> >     Matthew MacKenzie
> >     Senior Architect
> >     IDBU Server Solutions
> >     Adobe Systems Canada Inc.
> >     http://www.adobe.com/products/server/
> >     mattm@adobe.com
> >     +1 (506) 871.5409
> >
> 
> --
> Senior Standards Strategist
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://www.adobe.com

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Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
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