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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA
We currently have an informal action item to each review the eb Requirements docs (it is fairly neutral IMO to implementation but does capture the requirements for eBusiness. http://www.ebxml.org/specs/ebREQ.pdf Based on that, and a review of the other specs normatively listed within our charter, we will first begin by drafting an introductory statement for the draft ( my personal action item). A concurrent action item to start developing a draft skeleton document should be started. Ben - would be happy to have you help out here and make a presentation during our next con call. I propose we perhaps address 4 phases of the architecture, in alignment with ZIFA principles ( design time, implementation phase, discovery phase and runtime) . These will each contain many patterns and views. I am sorry I have not been posting up to speed on this - I am currently in Europe and will be back today. I do not want to see any more posts proposing evaluating BPSS design tools on this thread. That is not architecture. That is more suited to the eb BP list. Duane Matthew MacKenzie wrote: > I think that someone needs to take charge here and set some direction > for this TC. DRRW's approach infuriates me a lot of the time, but at > least he is trying to progress something in some direction. > > I think that this TC needs to actively revisit the ebRequirements > stuff and draft patterns to address those requirements with the stack > that we have built these past years. Lets schedule such a review. Lets > create a template for these patterns. Lets engage the TC membership in > incremental review of this work. > > Next steps: > > 1. Review those requirements, produce an analysis document specifying > the required patterns. > 2. Develop a pattern template and some common language. > 3. Develop patterns. Review. Publish. > > Comments? > > -Matt > > On May 19, 2004, at 7:44 PM, Duane Nickull wrote: > > David: > > While this may be true, it is definitely premature to make this > post. We still have to get the doc to a 0.2 version. > > There is not point in generating BPSS instances before we have a > runtime execution engine. I agree - there is an audience for this, > perhaps the bp related lists may be a better forum for now. I know > this is procedural and burocratic in nature but I guess I am part > politician now ;-) > > What we need now if a scope statement, pattern work, document > structure and help for editing. Love to see you contribute to that > ;-) Then let's discuss BP** > > Duane > > David RR Webber wrote: > > Matt, > Heck - if you don't want to see what I've been working > on - you don't have to do any of it. > However the good news is there are two files at the > link - one is a JPG and the other is an XML file. > You can view the JPG and then inspect the XML > that the model generated. By examining the JPG > you will see the components that go into specifying > a robust business process - and the supporting > linkages to the transport layer, the context system, > and transactions. Being able to drive all this with > XML templates is IMHO a key need for ebSOA, > and while the BPSS approach may not be perfect - > its certainly one we should be lookiing at to > understand how it relates and can be leveraged. > Also - since BPSS is middleware neutral - there is > a strong possibility it can be applied to the ebSOA > deployment environments. > Then there is the fact that the BPSS approach is > derived and built-up from over twenty years of > evolving knowledge on business processes - not to > mention - tightly couples to the ebMS interchange > model. > But apart from that the patterns it uses might strike > some as being antiquated, while others will see them > as essential foundation business components. > I'm just the messenger here ; -) > DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew MacKenzie <mailto:mattm@adobe.com> > To: David RR Webber <mailto:david@drrw.info> > Cc: ebsoa <mailto:ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA > > Let me get this straight... > > I'm supposed to get a copy of your tool, and download a BPSS > sample. When I have this, I am somehow better prepared to > create a > ebSOA model? > > Lots of assumptions that I do not care for... > > - We will use VisualScript (does it run on Mac OS by the way?) > - We will use BPSS as a foundation technology. > - ... > > -Matt > On May 19, 2004, at 10:36 AM, David RR Webber wrote: > > Team, > I've uploaded the current beta to: > http://drrw.net/visualscripts/ > You will see the "NEW" BPSS V2 example marked. > To use this - download the ZIP file - and unpack it into > the TEMP directory on your C: drive > (you can change the path reference in the model - but its > easier to just unpack it to c:\temp to get started). > This new model includes the ability to define Context as > part of the BPSS model - so it gives key insights into > creating process models that manage the business > transactional needs, context, and integration to the > transport layer with ebMS, WSDL, http-binding, RPC > and more. > I'm sure this will be a pivot point for getting our ebSOA model > and details honed so that it all works harmoniously. > Next I'm working on a quick PPT tutorial - so people can easily > step thru and create their own BPSS from scratch. > Enjoy, DW > p.s. I'm also looking at the jBPM JBOSS engine - figuring I can > drive jBPM from the BPSS models....and thus transport > layer and implement a foundation piece for ebSOA... > > ___________________________ > Matthew MacKenzie > Senior Architect > IDBU Server Solutions > Adobe Systems Canada Inc. > http://www.adobe.com/products/server/ > mattm@adobe.com > +1 (506) 871.5409 > > > -- > Senior Standards Strategist > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://www.adobe.com > > > > > ___________________________ > Matthew MacKenzie > Senior Architect > IDBU Server Solutions > Adobe Systems Canada Inc. > http://www.adobe.com/products/server/ > mattm@adobe.com > +1 (506) 871.5409 > -- Senior Standards Strategist Adobe Systems, Inc. http://www.adobe.com
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