Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services

["Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>]

Matthew MacKenzie wrote:

> Everyone knows that I am a huge ebXML proponent, but I must say that 
> BP is the one component of our stack that I am ambivalent towards. 
> Why? First, its taken a long time to get baked (although I applaud the 
> process since the CEFACT/OASIS schism, and think you people should be 
> proud of your accomplishments). Second, pretty much any good BP 
> framework/standard can be integrated with the other ebXML 
> specifications. I think the winner in this space will be whoever 
> gobbles the most market share.
>
> ....and that ocean liner that is MQ-Series is ubiquitous...and WSIF + 
> BPEL makes J2EE architects and developers very happy...and BPEL will 
> be picked up by MSFT too. We have the makings for a ubiquitous 
> solution that people can use soon, and often.

mm1: First, if you wish to discuss or debate the benefits of BPEL, 
please everyone take it to that list. Secondly, BPEL is an 
infrastructure process language [1]
that can provide a single role's view of a single process instance.  
There are many other aspects of business process, the larger BPM space 
and end-to-end collaboration.  Regardless of any past organizational 
challenges, ebBP is working to move effectively forward to a v2.0 
specification and laying the groundwork for v3.0. My point is, as Jean 
Jacques Dubray indicated this evening, BPM is only in its embryonic 
stages and there is much to learn. It is hard to corner a market if you 
are still learning what the market is and what potential exists for what 
it will become. Let's concentrate on how we can continue to add value, 
functionality and success for our user community using ebBP.  Thank you.

[1] Some have called it a process scripting language.

>
> I'd be interested in an objective compare/contrast of what ebBP is 
> doing versus BPEL. What are the synergies, if anything. How can those 
> of us who are moderates in this debate promote ebBP in conjunction 
> with BPEL?
>
> -Matt