Re: [ebxml-iic] ebxml-builders

[Matthew MacKenzie <matt@xmlglobal.com>]

Jamie,

It seems as though Duane and Farrukh have already answered for me.  
First off, I apologize for any confusion caused by starting and 
announcing this list.  In implementing the ebXML specs (I've had a hand 
in the implementation of 3 of them so far) we frequently find that there 
are areas that are underspecified, or unclear.  Most of the time, an 
email to the TC responsible will yield a response such as "that was out 
of scope for this release".  An example of this is the routing of 
messages through many (>4) intermediaries.  I asked the question, they 
responded "sorry, we had to drop that to make our release date".  I 
understand the challenges they face, but that doesn't change my 
requirement to implement the functionality described.  Where do I go at 
that point?  ebXML-Dev, ebxml-iic?.  ebXML-Dev is a bit general.  
ebxml-iic has its hands full with all of the trappings of "official" 
conformance testing, and hopefully "official" interoperability testing.

To solve this problem, I decided to start my own little support group 
(as Farrukh has done), ebxml-builders.  The goal is to get something 
going much like soapbuilders, where vendors can work out solutions for 
parts of the specs that are not yet sufficient.  If the community 
flourishes, we may even be able to foster a level of cooperation among 
vendors that rivals what has been done in soapbuilders, where everyone 
exposes an endpoint of their latest product so that the other vendors 
can make sure that they work with everyone else.

If the above vision is actualized in one or more OASIS or UN/CEFACT 
groups, I would be more than happy to pull the plug on this list.

Regards,

Matt

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 03:52  PM, James Bryce Clark wrote:

> Hello Matt -- I hope things are going well at NIST.  On the 
> announcement below, could you clarify:  is this intended as an official 
> IIC activity or a corporate or personal effort?
>
> Also, how is its scope intended to be different from the official lists 
> ebxml-dev, ebxml-iic-comment and specific spec conformance under (for 
> example) ebxml-msg-comment? 
>
> Both public and private efforts are fine, of course.  Private efforts 
> should be correctly identified as such.  On the other hand, personally 
> I would probably be more inclined to direct community input and public 
> comments to the official forums. 
>
> Thanks  Jamie Clark
>  
>
> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:49:06 -0700
> From: Matthew MacKenzie <matt@xmlglobal.com>
> Subject: [ebxml-iic] ebxml-builders
> To: ebxml-iic@lists.oasis-open.org
> Cc: ebxml-msg@lists.oasis-open.org (ebMS)
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481)
>
> I've registered the Yahoo! group "ebxml-builders" with the intention of 
> it being a place where implementers of various ebXML specifications can 
> post questions and answers related to spec interpretation.  * * *  I'm 
> not on all of the relevant ebXML lists, so I would appreciate if people 
> could "pass the word on" to other groups.  The URL is: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ebxml-builders
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