Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror Threats and ContainerShipment Tracking

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Joe,

I think that's a bit of a stretch.  Materials management is a different
animal.- see the OAGi website - and the BODs for that one.

What we're talking about here is manifesting.  You need to know three
things - what is in the container - down to the package
breakout level - right now they only know at the overall consignment level -
bear in mind a container may contain multiple
breakout shipments - and then who packed what - and then where the container
originated and who used it last prior to that.
Again there's millions of containers just lying around on lots - so some
kinda history provides valuable risk assessment.

So this would really be applicable to international shipments especially.
I'm not sure what UBL is doing right now for
shipments and customs manifesting.  The current EDI and UNEDIFACT for
manifests only package at the shipping agent
level - so that could be across multiple containers - so you only have a
vague idea of what is where.

Anyway - having said all that - it would make *total* sense to develop a UBL
family set for this - because that is exactly
what Hutchinson are saying - there is no standard way of doing this - and no
standard process for it.

Thinking more on this - the people to help is RoadWay.  They've already
automated to the container level - packing
instructions to the N-th detail - even where in the container a package
goes - so as to maximize the space usage.

I've Cc:d Dave Pavlich here to see if he can chip here with some useful
input....and some sample XML perhaps...

Thanks, DW


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; "eGov OASIS"
<egov@lists.oasis-open.org>; <phogan@sinotechnologies.com>; "A.J. (Tony)
Blazej" <blazej@direcway.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [egov] ebXML, Hutchinson Holdings, Terror Threats and
ContainerShipment Tracking


> David and Duane,
>
> A thought: I wonder if this could fall under the next phase of UBL
> (which would be 1.1), for Materials Management. According to slide 6 of
> [1], which is a presentation that Tim McGrath gave in Hong Kong in May
> 2004, Materials Management is one of the areas that UBL is planning to
> tackle in its next phase (unless that has changed, which I have not
> heard).
>
> Jon Bosak may weigh in if he has a chance to read this thread.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz Allen Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
>
> [1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-lcsc/200405/msg00003.html
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > Duane,
> >
> > Good thought.  That factor was brought up in the 60 minutes peice - but
> > the tracking is crucial - since having a secure container saves you
> > against possible tampering in-transit, and that works seems to be well
> > underway, but obviously if it is a Trojan in the first place - it just
> > ensures you have an even better Trojan being more securely delivered!
> >
> > The 60 minutes piece also made the point that it is the port authorities
> > and governments that really need to drive this.  If they are apathetic
> > then there is no amount of calls for standardization that will actually
> > cause anything to happen.  Again - if you have Hutchinson involved -
> > then you know that 44% of container traffic will need to conform - and
> > that's a huge head-start.
> >
> > But you are right - we do need to reach out to the stakeholders and the
> > authoritative sources here to understand how we can move things forward.
> >
> > Thanks, DW
> >
> > =====================
> > Duane Nickull wrote:
> >
> > > David et al:
> > >
> > > World Customs Organization are the people to pitch this to I believe.
> > > They are a UN org.  They have something called the Secure container
> > > initiative or something like that they are working on.
> > >
> > >
> > > Duane
> > >
> > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > >
> > >> I just saw the peice on 60 Minutes tonight - where the CEO of
> > >> Hutchinson, who had
> > >> 44% of container traffic worldwide - is desperately looking for
> > >> support from
> > >> governments to help turn around the current vulnerability situation.
> > >> Having been
> > >> ignored here in the USA.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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