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Subject: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] Experts needed
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/6/9 Peter Dolding <oiaohm@gmail.com>: > >>> Representatives from the major ODF-capable applications -- at the very least >>> OpenOffice (Sun and Novell versions), Symphony, KOffice, Google Docs & >>> Spreadsheets and Microsoft Office. > >> Representatives really does not cut it. What we need is like a ODF >> acid test. Pixel perfect rendering, Pixel perfect printing, standard >> only document production and tested scripting support that everyone >> can run. If application does not come up to standard it fails that >> simple and is a victim of public ridicule. > > > In this regard, I suggest looking at the work Ian Hickson has been > doing as editor for HTML5 for WHATWG and W3C (he's producing one spec > for both bodies). He also maintains Acid3. With HTML5 he's putting in > things that will make a solid standard specification, but that is > implementable and that implementors will want to implement - and so > the list has strong vendor participation. HTML5 is going to be a > successful, useful, implementable and implemented standard, with large > chunks of it being available already in Firefox 3 and Safari 3.1. > > In the case of ODF, the standard exists (with 1.2 being straightened > out now) - but in all those other ways, it's directly comparable. So > what are they doing right? > Its simple what they are doing right. All parties know that Ian Hickson will write new publicly displayed acid test that could test all forms of handling. There is no bias or bending for a particular vendor of browsers. He don't ask vendors first if this test works with there browser instead its set like a benchmark for them to get to. Vendors work and expand the standard. Ian Hickson's acid test's makes sure they are following it. It part fear. Do we do this wrong and risk that the next acid test shows it to the public. What ever the official test for ODF is it will have to be broadly public advertised so that stuffing up everyone knows. Representatives from vendors work on standard. Independent non bendable team works on the test to find out if a application is to standard. This team need to be independent so they cannot be accused of bias. Or if they are its laughed off. Finally media coverage of the applications that pass and fail the test to put force behind following the standard. No program want to be called the worse conforming bit of software out there. Path of even Internet Explorer is being changed by the risk of ridicule. What Ian Hickson is doing as the editor of a standard must be Independent and non bias. So is not in conflict with being a test of conformance construction. Editor of standard is a completely different thing to Test of Conformance they can be two different people just for html they happen to be one person. Ian Hickson really wrote acid test due to html standard not being followed. It is the editors role in a standard to protect the standard so to hold up his role creating a conformance test became required. We don't want ODF ending up where html was before the acid tests either. There is no reason at all for any representatives to take part in create of a test of conformance. If a correct and valid test cannot be made form the standard documentation without representatives it is showing flaw in standard. Really in that case representatives need to go back threw the standard alteration process and fix the standard. The idea is include people who should not be in it. Representatives should have no part ever to the create of a Test of Conformance of a standard. Advertising there conformance or there competitor lack of is about as far as each group using the standard interaction with the Test of Conformance should be. Peter Dolding
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