Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] Can we turn on list moderation now?

[Shawn <sgrover@open2space.com>]

A little more reasoning for moderating/filtering some individuals.

In the same email referred to, where Marbux "attacks Thomas":

"But no issues with the folks running around the list calling me names
like Andy Updegrove and Pam Jones, eh?"

Is this a reference to Pam's message here?:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oiic-formation-discuss/200806/msg00296.html
(btw, that is the ONLY message from Pam on the archives)

As near as I can tell, this cannot be interpreted as "running around the 
list calling me names".  This is an expression of an observation, and a 
hope things will change.  I see no name calling in there.  One can 
"infer" things from the message, but nothing that hasn't been proven 
reasonable.

As for Andy, I have seen nothing out of line.  He has simply asked that 
Paul put up or shut up.  But Paul keeps ignoring the call for supporting 
docs, or provides references that *may* support his view if taken out of 
context.

In my opinion, making up stories, stretching the facts, and threatening 
legal issues, or plain ol' brow beating, till you get your own way is 
um... stupid.  If an idea held any merit, the community would tend to 
back that idea.

Just another example why this individual should be removed from the 
list, or at least given some heavy doses of moderation.  I would prefer 
the first approach as this has a better "perception" associated with it. 
  Anyone here to seriously work and/or contribute is welcome.  Anyone 
here to cause disruptions is not.  Moderation leaves open the perception 
of being controlled by interested parties.  But I will follow the consensus.

My thoughts.

Shawn

robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> 2:25 PM -- Thomas Zander, OASIS member and member of the ODF TC makes 
> his first post to this discussion list.
> 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oiic-formation-discuss/200806/msg00767.html 
> 
> 
> 4:42 PM -- Paul "Marbux" Merrell attacks Thomas personally, questioning 
> his motivation and his character, while throwing random, off-topic 
> accusations.  I'd also question whether his repeated statements about 
> "breaking monopolies" and similar topics risks running afoul of OASIS 
> anti-trust policy.
> 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oiic-formation-discuss/200806/msg00771.html 
> 
> 
> This list is failing its intended purpose if a new participant receives 
> personal attacks like this within 2 hours of his first post.  This is 
> OASIS, not alt.talk.conspiracy.ufo.
> 
> Is there something that can be done about this?  After repeated 
> warnings, I see no change in Mr. Merrell's behavior.  
> 
> I believe the pace of traffic has slowed to the level where moderation 
> would not be onerous.
> 
> -Rob
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