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Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
SAP would be happy to contribute content for the Intro/Overview chapter (for SCA benefits/scenarios) and for the chapter on integrating with existing systems (Java EE and EJB in particular). We might be able to do more, but this is what I am comfortable with committing to as of now ... -- Sanjay > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com] > Sent: Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 7:04 AM > To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; Natale, Bob > Cc: carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; Carsten Röttgers; > daniel.pieper@t-online.de > Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > I wrote the ToC a while ago, when the Policy spec was a bit > 'squishy' - no slight intended. I agree it should be added. > Even if it needs to settle some more we can probably come up > with a good way to address that. > > Re: timing, I think we are trying to determine that, but I'm > of the opinion that we should start soon. These things take > a while, and content like this tends to help a young standard > to mature and gain adoption. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: ashok malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:53 AM > To: Natale, Bob > Cc: Patrick Leonard; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > I would be happy to contribute something on SCA Policy. > My feeling though is that it's a bit early and we shd let the > spec settle down a bit. > What was your timeframe for the book? > Ashok > > Natale, Bob wrote: > > > > >Hi Patrick, > > > >I noticed that your ToC did not include any refs to SCA Policy...are > >you excluding it by design or relegating it to just a part > of the "SCA > >Concepts" topic? Personally, I feel that it merits distinct and > >proportionate treatment. > > > >(I'd be happy to contribute material on the topic of "SCA > Policy", but > >if others more qualified (from the core SCA Policy team) decided to > >participate, I'd certainly defer to them.) > > > >Cheers, > >BobN > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:06 PM > >To: Carsten Röttgers > >Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > >opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > >Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > >My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to > start - based > >on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects > starting. I > >don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as > good later. > > > >I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not > trying to > >get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue > Wave may also > >be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a > >corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC, > blog/rss/wiki, e-book > >are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial > publication > >(like Stephen King's "The Green Mile" > >http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789) > > > >I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to > >confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and > what are the > >benefits? > > > >Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I > >don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm > >copying Mike here. > > > >Best, > > > >Patrick > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net] > >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM > >To: Patrick Leonard > >Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > >opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > >Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > >Patrick, > > > >your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you > >feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week. > > > >But before we have further questions: > >* What is your timeline? > >* Would it be an option for you to make the book available > for free if > >you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and > would start > >writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite > >confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under > >creative commons (or sort of). > >* Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book > >(http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion? > >* You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have > >any idea if he is still willing to go on? > > > >Cheers, > >Carsten > > > > > > > > > >>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com] > >>Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55 > >>An: "Carsten Röttgers" > >>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa- > >>ms@lists.oasis-open.org > >>Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >> > >>Carsten, > >> > >>Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also > >>written some content that could be used for the background > and other > >>parts of Chapter 1. > >> > >>I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point. > >>----------------------------- > >> > >>Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard > >> > >>Table of Contents > >> > >>Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures > >> > >> * Background > >> * Evolution of SOA > >> * What is SCA? > >> * Benefits of SCA > >> > >>Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview) > >> > >> * SCA Concepts > >> * How do I get started? > >> > >>Chapter: Assembly Model > >> > >> * Overview > >> * Components > >> * Implementation > >> * Composite > >> * Interface > >> * System > >> * Binding > >> * Extension Model > >> * Multiple Languages > >> > >>Chapter: Use Cases > >> > >>Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems > >> > >> * Java EE > >> * EJB > >> * C++ and other native languages > >> * Packaged Applications > >> Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation. > >> Chapter: Vendor Offerings > >> > >>Chapter: Futures > >> > >>Chapter: References > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net] > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM > >>To: Patrick Leonard > >>Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa- > >>ms@lists.oasis-open.org > >>Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >> > >>Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance, > it depends > >>on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess > >>("regardless" of its content in detail and other > "circumstances") we > >>would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning > will take > >>place as soon as all contributing authors are determined > and we have > >>done an initial outline. > >> > >>Carsten > >> > >>-------- Original-Nachricht -------- > >> > >> > >>>Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700 > >>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com> > >>>An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net> > >>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org, > >>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de > >>>Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >>> > >>> > >>>Carsten, > >>> > >>>I have done some writing on background and overview and could also > >>>contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also > >>> > >>> > >>contribute content > >> > >> > >>>for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline? > >>> > >>>Patrick > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net] > >>>Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM > >>>To: Patrick Leonard > >>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > >>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de > >>>Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >>> > >>>Patrick, > >>> > >>>thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering. > >>> > >>> > >>So > >> > >> > >>>far we are open to work with additional authors as well as > joining an > >>>existing team. > >>> > >>>Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>>there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>>about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > >>>(our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a > >>> > >>> > >while). > > > > > >>>Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation > >>>(like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical > >>>part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing > >>> > >>> > >>SCA/SDO with Tuscany". > >> > >> > >>>So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on > >>> > >>> > >what > > > > > >>>you have done so far? > >>> > >>>Best regards, > >>>Carsten > >>> > >>>-------- Original-Nachricht -------- > >>> > >>> > >>>>Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700 > >>>>Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com> > >>>>An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, > >>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > >>>>CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Daniel, Carsten, > >>>> > >>>>I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have > >>>> > >>>> > >already > > > > > >>>>done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >Edwards > > > > > >>>>has > >>>> > >>>> > >>>as well. > >>> > >>> > >>>>We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where > >>>> > >>>> > >>you > >> > >> > >>>>are in the process and if this would be helpful. > >>>> > >>>>Best, > >>>> > >>>>Patrick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Patrick Leonard > >>>>VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software > >>>>pleonard@roguewave.com > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org] > >>>>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM > >>>>To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > >>>>Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > >>>> > >>>>Daniel, Carsten, > >>>>Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of > >>>> > >>>> > >>OASIS. > >> > >> > >>>>I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>have related to Open CSA and OASIS. > >>>> > >>>>I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's > forwarded your > >>>>questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section. > >>>> > >>>>Regards, > >>>>Carol > >>>> > >>>>_________________________________ > >>>>Carol Geyer > >>>>Director of Communications > >>>>OASIS > >>>>+1.978.667.5115 x209 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Daniel Pieper" > >>>> > >>>> > >>To > >> > >> > >>>> <daniel.pieper@t- > >>>> online.de> > >>>> > >>>> > >>cc > >> > >> > >>>> 31/10/2007 00:40 > >>>> > >>>> > >>bcc > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>Subject > >> > >> > >>>> This document [osoa contact] Business > >>>> > >>>> > >>Enquiry > >> > >> > >>>> expires on from www.osoa.org web site > >>>> 29/01/2008 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Hello, > >>>> > >>>>first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>SCA and SDO specs. > >>>>In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models > >>>>leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the > >>>> > >>>> > >current > > > > > >>>>lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use > >>>> > >>>> > >of > > > > > >>>>these two standards (and their current implementations) we are > >>>>considering to write a book ourselves. > >>>> > >>>>We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA > >>>> > >>>> > >>(Röttgers, > >> > >> > >>>>Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in > >>>> > >>>> > >>German. > >> > >> > >>>>Having made this experience before we know that writing something > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider) > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>information from the standardizing committee is available and > >>>> > >>>> > >>granted. > >> > >> > >>>>Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions: > >>>>- Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature? > >>>>- If so, which information and personal support could you (would > >>>>you) offer? > >>>>- Are there already other publications underway of which you > >>>> > >>>> > >know? > > > > > >>>>- Which publisher would you recommend? > >>>>- Who is the direct contact for this type of questions? > >>>> > >>>>The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily > >>>> > >>>> > >work > > > > > >>>>with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong > focus would > >>>>be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like > >>>> > >>>> > >to > > > > > >>>>open all chapters for public review before going to print to give > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>the most coherent and complete information possible. > >>>> > >>>>If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact > >>>> > >>>> > >us: > > > > > >>>>daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > >>>> > >>>>Thank you in advance and best regards, > >>>> > >>>>Daniel, Carsten > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>ossoa-contact mailing list > >>>>ossoa-contact@cs.opensource.ibm.com > >>>>https://cs.opensource.ibm.com/mailman/listinfo/ossoa-contact > >>>> > >>>>________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Unless stated otherwise above: > >>>>IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>number 741598. > >>>>Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, > >>>> > >>>> > >Hampshire > > > > > >>>>PO6 3AU > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Unless stated otherwise above: > >>>>IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>number 741598. > >>>>Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, > >>>> > >>>> > >Hampshire > > > > > >>>>PO6 3AU > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>>>- > >>>> > >>>> > >>- > >> > >> > >>>>- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>that generates this mail. 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