RE: [xri] 3.2.7 - User Relative XRIs

["Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com>]

The reason User Relative XRIs are discussed in the Resolution section
(specifically, the XRI Authority subsection of the Resolution section),
is that "*" is a GCS symbol, and thus we need to specify what the
resolution characteristics of "*" are in this section (even if it is
just to say what you say below.)

That's all the text in this subsection was meant to do. I agree that the
current text may need a slight clarification per this thread, which the
Editor's SC can make before publishing 1.0, but I believe that should be
the only change needed.

=Drummond 

-----Original Message-----
From: Loren West [mailto:loren.west@epokinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Wachob, Gabe'; xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xri] 3.2.7 - User Relative XRIs

Hi Gabe,

I was getting hung up on the resolution aspects of User
Relative XRIs.

In fact, resolution doesn't have anything to do with this
discussion because there's a "/" between the User Relative
XRI and it's Base Identifier.  Resolvers aren't involved
in anything to the right of the "/".

Which means that we should probably move the discussion of
User Relative XRIs out of the resolution section, and
describe them simply as Relative Identifiers with a well known
Base Identifier (by convention, associated with the user
specifying the identifier).

Does that make sense?

=Loren


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wachob, Gabe [mailto:gwachob@visa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: 'Dave McAlpin'; 'Loren West'; xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [xri] 3.2.7 - User Relative XRIs
>
>
> Actually, @employer/Mary is not an Identifier Authority -
> @employer is.
>
> The user-relative "absolute"-conversion always adds a "/"
> between the current "base" and the shortcut. This means that
> the shortcut (ie the user-relative XRI) can never modify the
> identifier authority.
>
> I don't think this changes the example's intent, however. If
> you simply change the example to have "@employer.Mary" (that
> is, a "." instead of a "/") as the base, everything is good.
> Or, don't call @employer/Mary a "identifier authority" and
> call it the "base XRI for the user context in which the
> user-relative XRI appears"
>
> Make sense?
>
>       -Gabe
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave McAlpin [mailto:dave.mcalpin@epokinc.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:33 PM
> > To: 'Loren West'; xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [xri] 3.2.7 - User Relative XRIs
> >
> >
> > Good catch. We'll fix than in the next rev.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Loren West [mailto:loren.west@epokinc.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:30 PM
> > > To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: [xri] 3.2.7 - User Relative XRIs
> > >
> > > Small issue:
> > >
> > > User Relative XRIs are described in the text to be
> > > useful for and used by users (human beings) as
> > > "shortcuts" or "speed names".
> > >
> > > But the example is confusing, because the XRI
> > > isn't relative to "Mary", it's relative to
> > > "@employer".  It's hard for me to think about
> > > the "@employer" user having a "shortcut" XRI
> > > with the value "*Mary/workstation".
> > >
> > > It's less confusing (and maybe what was intended)
> > > to think of "Mary" as the user.  The a priori
> > > Identifier Authority for her may be "@employer/Mary",
> > > and User Relative XRI would be "*workstation".
> > >
> > > Here's the example from the spec:
> > >
> > >    > ...For example, if XRI resolver is pre-configured
> > >    > with a default community of "@employer/", then the
> > >    > XRI "xri:*Mary/workstation" would be converted into
> > >    > "xri:@employer/Mary/workstation".
> > >
> > > Which is correct, but not illustrative of Mary as
> > > a user.  It could be more like this:
> > >
> > >    > ...For example, if Mary is known as a user with a
> > >    > default Identifier Authority of "@employer/Mary", then
> > >    > the XRI "xri:*workstation" would be converted into
> > >    > "xri:@employer/Mary/workstation" for resolution.
> > >
> > > =Loren
> > >
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