Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics / EditorsActionItem, et al)

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

Thanks - but I couldn't find the information I was looking for.

Joe

David RR Webber wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Certainly.
> 
> See the materials at :
> 
>  http://www.businesscentricmethodology.com
> 
> DW.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> To: "'ebSOA'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
> EditorsActionItem, et al)
> 
> > David RR Webber wrote:
> > >
> > > Duane,
> > >
> > > Such 'best practice' stuff is the domain of the eGov TC - see their
> > > document on ebMS recently - and note that the whole premise
> > > behind best practice is some domain as a reference set.
> > >
> > > IMHO ebSOA is a technical specification that provides the
> > > mechanisms and components that allow implementers to
> > > successfully leverage a broad range of OASIS technologies
> > > together as a coherent whole - while delivering on core
> > > SOA characteristics (therein is the challenge - figuring that out).
> > >
> > > That is why I see BCM and EPR as instructive here - as
> > > these are actual domains that are attempting to do exactly
> > > this - provide people a roadmap to enable them to
> > > successfully utilize SOA in a cost-effective and reliable
> > > way that delivers the right amount of technology for
> > > their business needs.   The US Government spent two
> > > years and significant manpower developing BCM;
> >
> > David, do you happen to have any references for this? (US Government and
> > BCM)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> > > likewise the Norwegian Government has invested
> > > two years of effort in the EPR work.  Not to mention
> > > the huge effort dedicated to ebXML development
> > > to date.
> > >
> > > Learning from, leveraging and extending these
> > > open public specifications is I believe a clear
> > > win for ebSOA.
> > >
> > > DW
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > > To: "'ebSOA'" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Scope of TC (was SOA and Shared Semantics /
> > > EditorsActionItem, et al)
> > >
> > > > Thank Duane - my comment below that begins with "Very respectfully
> > > > disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference mature..." was actually in
> > > > reference to the Best Practices document. That is my core concern -
> that
> > > > we will offer what we term "best practices" that implementors cannot
> > > > even implement. At this point, I'm seriously questioning the
> connection
> > > > of this TC's work to (please pardon my saying this) reality.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joseph:
> > > > >
> > > > > The specification itself will not normatively reference other
> standards
> > > > > (perhaps a non-normative reference as a possible implementation
> choice
> > > > > is possible). We are at a higher level than any specific concrete
> > > > > implementation.  We did agree to this.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the entire basis for why our TC will also publish a "best
> > > > > practices" document.  That document will speak to the implementors
> at
> > > > > the specific time and make such references.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope that works for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Duane
> > > > >
> > > > > Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Duane Nickull wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>..How well-equipped will we be
> > > > > >>>to encourage adoption of our work if it relies so heavily on
> shaky
> > > > > >>>foundations?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>[DN]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>We will not rely on shaky foundations.  I have made this mistake
> > > writing
> > > > > >>other architectural standards and advocate we do not repeat them
> here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Adoption of our standard may not be measured in specific
> > > > > >>implementations.  A metric may be how people think going forward.
> > > When
> > > > > >>someone asks the question "What is SOA and how can it benefit my
> > > > > >>company?", the answer should be "Pick up and read a copy of the
> OASIS
> > > eb
> > > > > >>SOA Spec".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Very respectfully disagree. IMHO, the answer should reference
> mature
> > > > > >standards that have been widely adopted within industry and
> government,
> > > > > >and for which there is a more than adequate level of available
> vendor
> > > > > >products, including some from what one would consider a major
> vendor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Duane
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>--
> > > > > >>Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > > >>Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > > >>http://www.adobe.com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > > http://www.adobe.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > > Associate
> > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Kind Regards,
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> >

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Joseph Chiusano
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