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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services
Hi, David, I think you're misisng Duane's point... He's talking about prioritization for greater market. I see there are views on BPSS: One view puts higher priority on "documentation", and the other puts higher priority on "automation". For automation purpose, we need to define very formal and detailed computational model for the language, pretty much like BPEL is doing. We need lots of implementation experience for this goal... And my personal view is that "automation" almost always gets greater market share. See how BPEL is doing. BPEL attracted many people for the ability to automate the process and some BPEL engine has been built before any design tools. If language can provide automation with good level of abstraction, people just use it even if no good GUI is available for it. How people used C compiler before Visual C?. How people used HTML before any web authoring tools? I'm not saying "automation" view is right and "documentation" view is not. "documentation" is an important usage of BPSS. And it is also important to think about what BPSS can do for "automation". I'm just wondering if many in ebBP are interested in this aspect. Duane, thanks for your kind words for our Ottawa presentation... It was a great opportunity for both of us! Regards Kenji David RR Webber wrote: > Duane, > > Its a Catch22 - and also resources. > > However - I can build the designer tools for V2.0 in a few days. > > Once I have those - then that creates more of a compelling > reason for the announce on the open source BPSS engine. > > DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com> > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info> > Cc: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>; "ebXML BP" > <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] IBM to Support BPEL-Based Web Services > > > >> >>David RR Webber wrote: >> >> >>>My top priority coming few weeks is to get BPSS V2.0 >>>editing tools done - so people can build their >>>process models easily. >>> >>>Next up we need someone to announce an open source >>>BPSS engine... room for a joint collaboration on this >>>me thinks. >> >>This is highly illogical. Who would have a need to have BPSS design >>tools or BPSS before you have an engine to run them. I would argue for >>execution engine first, then the designer toolsets or at least at the >>same time. >> >>Fujitsu demonstrated some pretty cool stuff in this space in Ottawa last >>month. >> >>Duane >> >> >> >>-- >>Senior Standards Strategist >>Adobe Systems, Inc. >>http://www.adobe.com >> >> >> >> > > >
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