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Subject: RE: [public-sector-cloud-discuss] FW: Public Cloud Requirement
Looks really great John. Yes it would be great to have UK Gov involvement, there is a compelling need and opportunity to distill and repeat some of the very pioneering work that is happening, eg. our core focus is on enabling Cloud supplier accreditation etc., something the UK is currently world leading: http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2012/aug/23/il3-cloud-security-scc Our friends here in Canada et al are also in need of the ability to achieve this too, and there is also opportunity to return value, as this framework does not yet extend up into the PaaS and SaaS layer, which we can help with, which is some of the key requirement touched on in this first exchange. kind regards, Neil. > I've tweaked the draft charter to capture the requirements discussed > below. > Feel free to suggest alternative/additional wording if you feel it > necessary. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org > [mailto:public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of > Neil > McEvoy > Sent: 23 August 2012 16:10 > To: John Borras > Cc: neil.mcevoy@l5consulting.net; > public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Wailing John (OCIO)' > Subject: RE: [public-sector-cloud-discuss] FW: Public Cloud Requirement > > > Absolutely John. Transformation of legacy systems to enable more Agile > enhancement and maintenance of them and also achieve multi-site resilience > is the top line business goals I would suggest the public sector can and > should seek from Cloud migration, and this could indeed be the headline > purpose and value of our group. > > Kind regards, Neil. > > >> Neil >> >> Thanks for the quick and informative response. I'm sure John will be >> interested in this and will want to lift the lid on it all a bit more >> with you. >> >> I sense from what you've said it's not an unachievable requirement >> nowadays and in fact is something we should look to promote in our new >> TC? >> >> John >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org >> [mailto:public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of >> Neil McEvoy >> Sent: 23 August 2012 15:27 >> To: John Borras >> Cc: public-sector-cloud-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Wailing John >> (OCIO)' >> Subject: Re: [public-sector-cloud-discuss] FW: Public Cloud >> Requirement >> >> >> Hi Johns >> >> There's a couple of points to answer this. First and simplest yes >> there are vendors who do exactly that, they encapsulate your app into >> a virtual container so that you can migrate it to X Cloud provider. I >> can make some intros if you like. >> >> There are standards and common technologies relevant to this >> abstraction process, in particular JClouds: http://www.jclouds.org/. >> This is used by the Cloud Service Brokers to facilitate portability >> across the marketplace providers for example. >> >> With regards to achieving active-active app replication across >> multiple data centres as a result of this process, that's a bit >> trickier but again there are emerging vendors catering for this. >> >> We actually just published a paper on this specific topic, focusing on >> the Canadian imperative to address the downtime risks of their legacy >> estate that their Auditor General recently identified, see "Always On >> Digital >> Government": >> >> http://cloudbestpractices.net/2012/08/13/always-on-paper/ >> >> Kind regards, Neil. >> >> >> >>> Please see the note from John Wailing below. Does anyone have any >>> views or experience of the requirement that he has set out? Is it >>> something we could include within the scope of the new TC? I'm not >>> suggesting that the TC would come up with the technical answer to >>> this problem but more that it's yet another requirement to add to the >>> list that we are looking to produce. >>> >>> John >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Wailing John (OCIO) >>> [mailto:John.Wailing3@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk] >>> Sent: 23 August 2012 13:35 >>> To: Dee Schur >>> Cc: 'Jane Harnad'; 'Pim van der Eijk'; Ian Osborne; McDonagh Denise; >>> John Borras; Hartley Dominic >>> Subject: RE: Invitation to speak at International Cloud Symposium >>> >>> Thanks for the thought. I also find that it will be impossible to >>> attend. >>> However, having spoken to John B, I increasingly see a need for >>> someone >>> (you) to get a grip on 'Cloud' standards/models. >>> >>> We seek the convenience, agility and economy of commoditising the >>> development and hosting of our big (line of business, transactional, >>> inherently reliable) systems. The trick seems to be to create the >>> application to run in some abstracted hosting environment (a >>> container of some description?) so that it can be hosted anywhere >>> (probably in at least two places running active-active with load >>> sharing). At the moment testing typically requires the developer to >>> have at least one environment and the hosting service to have a least >>> 2, pre-prod and prod. Some functional testing will always be needed >>> but much of our testing is centred on how the application will >>> perform in the production environment. Need to get away from this in >>> times to come! I have glossed over rather a lot but you will get the > drift! >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> John >>> T: +44 (0) 20 7035 6683 M: +44 (0)780 3510072 Lorraine Tuitt >>> can fix slots in my diary: 020 7035 3490 >>> mailto:lorraine.tuitt@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk >>> Office of the Chief Information Officer, Financial and Corporate >>> Services Group, Home Office, 4th Floor SW Seacole Building, 2 Marsham >>> Street SW1P 4DF >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ian Osborne [mailto:Ian.Osborne@Intellectuk.org] >>> Sent: 17 August 2012 18:40 >>> To: Dee Schur; McDonagh Denise; Wailing John (OCIO) >>> Cc: 'Jane Harnad'; 'Pim van der Eijk' >>> Subject: RE: Invitation to speak at International Cloud Symposium >>> >>> Dee, Apologies, I am unable to participate in this event owing to a >>> prior commitment. Ian >>> >>> Ian Osborne >>> ian.osborne@intellectuk.org >>> M:+44 7793 258219 >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Dee Schur [dee.schur@oasis-open.org] >>> Sent: 17 August 2012 18:08 >>> To: 'McDonagh Denise'; Home Office, John Wailing; Ian Osborne >>> Cc: 'Jane Harnad'; 'Pim van der Eijk'; 'Dee Schur' >>> Subject: RE: Invitation to speak at International Cloud Symposium >>> >>> Hi Denise, John and Ian, >>> Do you have an update on your availability to speak at the >>> International Cloud Symposium? Please scroll down and have a peek at >>> all the policy makers that have already registered to attend, >>> http://www.eventbrite.com/event/4009281870?ref=ebtnebregn >>> >>> Please let me know if I can answer any questions -- I look forward to >>> your reply. >>> Regards, >>> dee >>> >>> Dee Schur >>> Senior Manager - Standards Advocate >>> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >>> http://www.oasis-open.org >>> +1.781.425.5073 x211 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dee Schur [mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:23 PM >>> To: 'McDonagh Denise'; 'john.wailing3@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk' >>> Cc: 'Jane Harnad'; 'Pim van der Eijk'; 'Ian.Osborne@intellectuk.org' >>> Subject: Invitation to speak at International Cloud Symposium >>> >>> Hi Denise and John, >>> We are featuring a session at the International Cloud Symposium >>> (ICS), https://www.oasis-open.org/events/cloud/2012, focused on >>> Digital Government to include discussions on G-Cloud and Cloud First >>> activities. >>> We would be grateful if either of you would consider presenting on >>> the G-Cloud topic during the first session, 10 October 2012, but we >>> do have flexibility if 11 October would suit you better. If this does >>> not work for either of you, please feel free to recommend a >>> colleague. To get an idea of the type of program we coordinate, >>> please have a peek at last year's ICS website held in the London >>> area, >>> http://events.oasis-open.org/home/cloud/2011 >>> If you have any questions or would like more information, feel free >>> to contact me or Jane Harnad. 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