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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] governance musings over the weekend
Ken Relative to Michael's first question: While crossing ownership domains is of concern in all governance models, I believe that it comes more to the fore in SOA. Second item - Before Friday, I hadn't contemplated your example of governance for entities with evil goals. However, after a some thought, I agree that governance is about satisfying the goals of the participants, whether the goals are good or bad for society. (How good is defined is a philosophical question left for Plato and others to struggled with.) However, since the Commons is one of the participants (an interested party) the example of governance related to an evil-doer entity brings up a question. Is governance just in the eye of the beholder (e.g. the corporation) or does it have to satisfy the complete social context? Or stated another way, is a local governance incomplete without consideration of the goals of all the participants in its social context? Don Ken Laskey wrote: > see inline > > On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Poulin, Michael wrote: > >> Here a couple of other questions coming from the looking at the diagram: >> 1) what I special in this governance model for the service >> orientation or why is it good especially for SOA? > > There is an attempt to show a level of independence between the > Participants and the Decision Makers. In general, I think this exist > in all governance scenarios but is ignored because governance bodies > would prefer to be all-powerful over their perceived domain. > >> 2) what "Policies, Rules, and Regulations" are meant here - any ones, >> run-time and/or development ones? > > In general, any ones. Is there a reason at the model level to > separate build time from runtime? There may be benefits for managing > the instances but I don't see differences at the model level. > >> 3) should the governance model in SOA RA promote the best practices >> in SOA governance (if YES, what are they and how are they reflected >> in here)? > > It does to a certain extent just on the basis of what is included and > how it weaves together. The model should support practices that are > more locally specific and support local management. > >> I know, asking questions is much easier than answering them, >> nevertheless... > > If you don't ask, someone else will :-) > >> >> - Michael >> /_ _/ >> >> Important: Fidelity Investments International (Reg. No.1448245), >> Fidelity Investment Services Limited (Reg. No. 2016555), Fidelity >> Pensions Management (Reg. No. 2015142) and Financial Administration >> Services Limited (Reg. 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Direct link >> to Fidelity’s website - >> http://www.fidelity-international.com/world/index.html >> >> > Ken > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] >> *Sent:* 10 September 2007 14:49 >> *To:* soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >> <mailto:soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> >> *Subject:* [soa-rm-ra] governance musings over the weekend >> >> Another tweak to the governance model, this time adding a class >> for Metrics Collection and new relationships. >> >> <governance 20070910.png> >> >> Given a model of Governance, the next question on my mind is how >> does it affect architecture. Some thoughts along those lines: >> >> Architecture implications >> - need mechanisms to create and catalog Policies, Rules, and >> Regulation >> - need reliable access to specifics of current Governance >> Framework and Governance Processes >> - need mechanisms to collect metrics >> - need mechanisms for Participants to access metrics >> - need enforcement mechanisms for Management Body >> >> Assumptions >> - You cannot govern what you cannot measure >> - You cannot govern what does not agree to be governed >> - expectations on what can and will be governed must match the >> reality of what is possible and what is the collective will to >> see done >> >> - need to manage (including configuration management and CRUD >> processes)Governance Framework and Governance Processes,Policies, >> Rules, and Regulations but not Goals >> >> - I don't care where the Goals originated beyond saying they come >> from Participants >> - I don't care if they are "good" Goals or "bad" Goals because it >> is up to Governance to come up with the set that serves those who >> want to remain Participants, and the SOA machinery should be >> agnostic to the quality of the Goals or the make-up of the >> Participants >> - There may be many parallel or interacting Governance >> environment with which a given Participant must interact. >> >> >> Ken >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Ken Laskey >> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 >> 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 >> McLean VA 22102-7508 >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ken Laskey > > MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 > > 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 > > McLean VA 22102-7508 > > -- Don Flinn President Mansurus LLC e-mail: flinn@alum.mit.edu Tel: 781-856-7230 http://mansurus.com
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