Re: [ubl-dev] Tool question

["mail.javest.com" <roberto@javest.com>]

There have been already a big opportunity to avoid such differences, by using UBL 2.0 as the 1st usable set of business documents, and by providing new updates to all UBL adopters, directly from the CEFACT standardization process.

I think this train is lost, and also the wheels, that needs to be reinvented.

Is this a problem for SAP GDTs too ?

Best regards

Roberto

Crawford, Mark ha scritto:

C14EC519C5A2064B90FAD4EFD89CE1C203551FED@usphle1c.phl.sap.corp" type="cite">

Stephen,

 

This is very simple.  UBL defined BIEs before there were any CCs from UN/CEFACT, or even before the CCTS was finished. The UBL BIE library does not directly relate the to CCL as defined by CCTS.  Only a mapping is possible, much like mappings between various standards.  It is easier since both UBL and UN/CEFACT used CCTS. 

 

The obvious question - why would you want to import CCL artefacts into a UBL spreadsheet when there is no direct relationship?

 

Kind Regards,

Mark

 

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From: Stephen Green [mailto:stephengreenubl@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:08 PM
To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Tool question

OK, forget that 'A.B.C.D'. I'm seeing dots where there aren't dots.

But take

"Application_ Organization. Designated. Tendering_ Contact"

This is an ASBIE DEN from the CCL

In UBL it would probably like this

"Application Organization. Designated Tendering_ Contact. Contact"

or

"Application Organization. Designated Tendering Contact. Contact"

UBL uses qualifiers differently to the way they are used in the CCL generally.

The more I look at the task of aligning the varying ways of applying CCTS
the more inclined I am to think importing CCL BIEs into a UBL spreadsheet
isn't really feasible.

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Stephen D Green

2009/7/20 Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>

I'm finding a lot of issues trying to create UBL-ish BIEs from CCL ones.
It look slike there is even more variation between the UBL implementation
of CCTS and the CCL implementation,
e.g. extra qualifiers in the CCL BIEs and an extra component in the CCL
dictionary entry names (A.B.C.D compared with UBL's limit to A.B.C).

Anyone tried converting CCL BIEs to UBLish spreadhseets? I'm just trying
to output UBL NDR schemas from CCL BIEs. I guess I'm going to have to
accept that the DENs (at least in the UBL-ish spreadsheets) are going to
be different to those in the CCL. I might not even be able to convert the
DENs back to CCL DENs in the schemas because the UBL NDR schemas
have slightly different CCTS terms from those in the CCL. I guess this may
be a difference in version of CCTS implemented along with different
implementations (interpretations?) of CCTS.

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Stephen D Green

2009/7/20 Stephen Green <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk>

Anyone know of a tool for converting CCL format spreadsheets
to UBL model format spreadsheets?




>>> "Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> 20/07/09 10:04 >>>

Many thanks Asuman, that's great news. Great that folk can
take a set of CCTS and/or UBL model spreadsheets (I'd
especially be interested to apply it to TBG17 ones, even if
iSURF eDoCreator requires any changes to the spreadsheets)
and get a set of UBL-NDR schemas. I think UBL 2.0 NDR schemas
are great for the timebeing (datatype requirements permitting)
but for full datatype/codelist capabilities/flexibility I'd especially be
delighted to see UBL 2.1 NDR schemas supported - but I'm sure
folk can wait patiently for that. Worth the wait (IMO).

Best regards

Steve

Stephen D Green

>>> "Prof. Dr. Asuman Dogac" <asuman@srdc.metu.edu.tr> 20/07/09 09:53 >>>
Dear Colleagues,

The current version of iSurf eDoCreator tool supports creation of  schemas
for UBL 2.0 NDR.  Later, when UBL 2.1 NDR becomes available, we will
enhance the tool to support generation of schemas for UBL 2.1 NDR.
But as Ken indicated since the schema directories have different contents
and dependencies, before generating the schema, you have to first decide
whether to use the 2.0 NDR or the 2.1 NDR.

You can import conventional spreadsheets to iSURF eDoCreator.
Additionally, the tool validates  the format and the content of the
uploaded
spreadsheet and if there is any inconsistency
with UBL NDR it provides feedback to the user.

Please feel free to experiment with the tool publicly available at:

http://www.srdc.com.tr/eDoCreator/

Best regards,

Asuman

G. Ken Holman wrote:
> At 2009-07-19 17:22 +0100, Stephen Green wrote:
>> So say I want to make my own schemas starting with
>> some UBL-format modeling spreadsheets or CCTS
>> format modeling spreadsheets; do I first have to decide
>> whether to use the 2.0 NDR or the 2.1 NDR?
>
> I suppose so ... if you are deriving your own schemas from UBL 2.0
> then you would follow the UBL 2.0 NDR, while if you are deriving your
> own schemas from UBL 2.1 then you would follow the UBL 2.1 NDR.  The
> schema directories have different contents and dependencies.
>
> Am I missing something in your question?
>
>> Will I be able to use tools like the one from Turkey (I'm
>> guessing that is the iSURF initiative one) to make some
>> schemas or will that depend what NDR I choose?
>>
>> Can I at this moment use the iSURF one to create schemas
>> for UBL 2.0 NDR?
>
> Those two questions would be best answered by Asuman Dogac, who I
> believe follows this UBL-Dev list.
>
>> I'm guessing it might be too early to
>> make 2.1 schemas from my own modeling spreadsheets.
>
> Yes it is, as we haven't determined the UBL 2.1 NDRs yet.
>
>> Will I have to wait for updates to tools to create 2.1 NDR
>> schemas? (I wouldn't mind the wait.)
>
> Yes, I suspect so.
>
>> I got the impression
>> for iSURF that I need to create the model online in the
>> tool itself rather than importing conventional spreadsheets
>> into it. Will the taskforce be using spreadsheets like this
>> or transfering the document designs into the tool by hand?
>
> Again I would defer to Asuman to answer your question regarding her tool.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . Ken
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