Re: [bcm] Applying BCM

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Carl,

That's what I'm telling you too!

BUT - we have a nice use case in eprXML - where we can
develop the raw base templates.

Once you have that - then you create another strawman set for
XBRL et al - using the lessons learned from eprXML to bring
new value and understanding.

The eprXML metaphor applied to XBRL I think has some very interesting
possiblities.  BUT - you gotta start somewhere - and I'd rather start with
eprXML
templates - known quantities - and then create a new set for XBRL - than try
doing the XBRL from scratch....

Also the eGov TC is waiting for us to show them the eprXML templates so they
can suggest some other areas of interest to look at from there.

Cheers, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>; "'BCM OASIS'" <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [bcm] Applying BCM


> Acknowledged - eprXML has much to offer. BUT most folks would have a steep
> learning curve when trying to figure out whether it is relevant to them. I
> would not like the success of BCM to be dependent upon the success of
> people having the patience to investigate eprXML.
>
> On the other hand - many Business Centric folks (including those in
> government departments)  understand what a General Ledger is ... and if
> they need an  XML Template / Ontology then xbrl provides full taxonomic
> data definitions.
> http://www.xbrl.org/resourcecenter/dettaxonomies.asp?sid=22&taxoid=5
>
>
> <quote who="David RR Webber">
> > Carl,
> >
> > I forgot to connect the dots for you here.
> >
> > The key thing about eprXML is that the application layer
> > is going to be available in opensource once they've finished
> > the initial development effort.
> >
> > Cheers, DW.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>
> > To: "'BCM OASIS'" <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bcm] Applying BCM
> >
> >
> >> Agreed - the eprXML work provides a good reference for XML. However,
> >> eprXML itself is not an obvious 'Business Driver' unlike becoming
> >> compliant with Sarbanes Oxley and the Patriot Act which  make demands
on
> >> 'financial reporting' . I also favor referencing templates /ontologies
> >> developed by agencies who will steward them for many years to come
(e.g.
> >> HL7, ACORD,  GAAP ).
> >>
> >> <quote who="David RR Webber">
> >> > Neil / Carl,
> >> >
> >> > We also have a ready made example in the eprXML work Hans
> >> > has ongoing.
> >> >
> >> > I'd definately like help with all this.  We have a 'to do' to build
> >> some
> >> > sample templates from the Folders and  Tssk Cards - to show how
> >> > business managers can use either Excel or Word to manage the
> >> > rules and selections in the folders and task cards - and then export
> >> > this to XML that then actually configures Hans' eprXML system.
> >> >
> >> > It would be fabulous if we could get that done as a first base - then
> >> > we could take those and extend them to these other areas - as usual
> >> > once people have one example to key off...
> >> >
> >> > If you look at Hans' eprXML PPT again (Kavi) - you will see the
> >> > UI components I'm referencing - basically its the Portal idea - plus
> >> > the use of task cards in the individual users work desktop areas.
> >> >
> >> > We need the heirarchy and rules that determine when a user sees
> >> > what.  We could use the CAM XML as the target for this - since
> >> > it has the <BusinessContext> section that is a great fit.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, DW.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Neil Wasserman" <nwasserman@adaptiveservices.com>
> >> > To: <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>; "'BCM OASIS'"
> >> <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:45 AM
> >> > Subject: RE: [bcm] Applying BCM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I agree with this sentiment.  BCM has so far provided a general
> >> >> framework
> >> >> and philosophy for how to deal with interacting communities of
> > interest.
> >> > To
> >> >> make this tangible to implementers and business decision makers, we
> > need
> >> > to
> >> >> focus on how BCM applies to particular categories of service
> >> >> interactions
> >> >> among CoIs.  If we can pick one or two domains in which we as a
group
> >> >> have
> >> >> experience and address service interactions within those domains,
> >> then
> >> >> we
> >> >> can develop templates, methods, and examples that would be
meaningful
> > to
> >> >> those outside our immediate network.  Candidate domains would be
> >> egov,
> >> >> insurance, telecom.
> >> >>
> >> >> It would also be helpful to map important interactions with other
> >> > standards
> >> >> efforts, CAM, registry, ebXML, egov, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would also being will to act as co-chair or otherwise support the
> > work
> >> >> administratively, with a little help from my friends.
> >> >>
> >> >> Neil
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Carl Mattocks [mailto:carlmattocks@checkmi.com]
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:10 AM
> >> >> To: BCM OASIS
> >> >> Subject: [bcm] Applying BCM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> To help BCM move forward I propose that the next phase of evolution
> >> be
> >> >> focused on 'Applying BCM '. Wherein, the SOA application is
specified
> >> > using
> >> >> a Specific Type of Business Driver and a Service Oriented set of
> >> >> Templates
> >> > /
> >> >> ontology used by Specific type of Community of Interest. In
> >> particular,
> >> >> I
> >> >> suggest that :
> >> >> Business Driver = COMPLIANCE of information systems, as in,
> >> information
> >> >> reports demanded by Sarbanes Oxley, Patriot Act, etc .
> >> >> Service Oriented Templates / ontology = XRBRL [
> >> >> http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2002-03-05-a.html ]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If we can reach agreement that the next phase is about delivering a
> >> >> methodology examplar which a majority of Business Service Architects
> > can
> >> >> 'deeply' relate to  - I would be willing to act as co-chair.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
>
> >
>
>
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