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Subject: Re: [bcm] Applying BCM -eprXML then Regulatory Compliance
Apologies - I did not mean to suggest that the eprXML committment should be ignored. I was thinking beyond that. I consider the eprXML exercise an Applied BCM example of ' building from the middle-out when adopting an architecture'. I consider the proposed Regulatory Compliance exercise an Applied BCM example of 'a top-down approach during new development efforts ' and ' a a bottom-up approach when dealing with legacy systems' happy hols carl <quote who="David RR Webber"> > Carl, > > That's what I'm telling you too! > > BUT - we have a nice use case in eprXML - where we can > develop the raw base templates. > > Once you have that - then you create another strawman set for > XBRL et al - using the lessons learned from eprXML to bring > new value and understanding. > > The eprXML metaphor applied to XBRL I think has some very interesting > possiblities. BUT - you gotta start somewhere - and I'd rather start with > eprXML > templates - known quantities - and then create a new set for XBRL - than > try > doing the XBRL from scratch.... > > Also the eGov TC is waiting for us to show them the eprXML templates so > they > can suggest some other areas of interest to look at from there. > > Cheers, DW. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com> > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info> > Cc: <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>; "'BCM OASIS'" <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [bcm] Applying BCM > > >> Acknowledged - eprXML has much to offer. BUT most folks would have a >> steep >> learning curve when trying to figure out whether it is relevant to them. >> I >> would not like the success of BCM to be dependent upon the success of >> people having the patience to investigate eprXML. >> >> On the other hand - many Business Centric folks (including those in >> government departments) understand what a General Ledger is ... and if >> they need an XML Template / Ontology then xbrl provides full taxonomic >> data definitions. >> http://www.xbrl.org/resourcecenter/dettaxonomies.asp?sid=22&taxoid=5 >> >> >> <quote who="David RR Webber"> >> > Carl, >> > >> > I forgot to connect the dots for you here. >> > >> > The key thing about eprXML is that the application layer >> > is going to be available in opensource once they've finished >> > the initial development effort. >> > >> > Cheers, DW. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Carl Mattocks" <carlmattocks@checkmi.com> >> > To: "'BCM OASIS'" <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:31 AM >> > Subject: Re: [bcm] Applying BCM >> > >> > >> >> Agreed - the eprXML work provides a good reference for XML. However, >> >> eprXML itself is not an obvious 'Business Driver' unlike becoming >> >> compliant with Sarbanes Oxley and the Patriot Act which make demands > on >> >> 'financial reporting' . I also favor referencing templates >> /ontologies >> >> developed by agencies who will steward them for many years to come > (e.g. >> >> HL7, ACORD, GAAP ). >> >> >> >> <quote who="David RR Webber"> >> >> > Neil / Carl, >> >> > >> >> > We also have a ready made example in the eprXML work Hans >> >> > has ongoing. >> >> > >> >> > I'd definately like help with all this. We have a 'to do' to build >> >> some >> >> > sample templates from the Folders and Tssk Cards - to show how >> >> > business managers can use either Excel or Word to manage the >> >> > rules and selections in the folders and task cards - and then >> export >> >> > this to XML that then actually configures Hans' eprXML system. >> >> > >> >> > It would be fabulous if we could get that done as a first base - >> then >> >> > we could take those and extend them to these other areas - as usual >> >> > once people have one example to key off... >> >> > >> >> > If you look at Hans' eprXML PPT again (Kavi) - you will see the >> >> > UI components I'm referencing - basically its the Portal idea - >> plus >> >> > the use of task cards in the individual users work desktop areas. >> >> > >> >> > We need the heirarchy and rules that determine when a user sees >> >> > what. We could use the CAM XML as the target for this - since >> >> > it has the <BusinessContext> section that is a great fit. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, DW. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Neil Wasserman" <nwasserman@adaptiveservices.com> >> >> > To: <carlmattocks@checkmi.com>; "'BCM OASIS'" >> >> <bcm@lists.oasis-open.org> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:45 AM >> >> > Subject: RE: [bcm] Applying BCM >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I agree with this sentiment. BCM has so far provided a general >> >> >> framework >> >> >> and philosophy for how to deal with interacting communities of >> > interest. >> >> > To >> >> >> make this tangible to implementers and business decision makers, >> we >> > need >> >> > to >> >> >> focus on how BCM applies to particular categories of service >> >> >> interactions >> >> >> among CoIs. If we can pick one or two domains in which we as a > group >> >> >> have >> >> >> experience and address service interactions within those domains, >> >> then >> >> >> we >> >> >> can develop templates, methods, and examples that would be > meaningful >> > to >> >> >> those outside our immediate network. Candidate domains would be >> >> egov, >> >> >> insurance, telecom. >> >> >> >> >> >> It would also be helpful to map important interactions with other >> >> > standards >> >> >> efforts, CAM, registry, ebXML, egov, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> I would also being will to act as co-chair or otherwise support >> the >> > work >> >> >> administratively, with a little help from my friends. >> >> >> >> >> >> Neil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Carl Mattocks [mailto:carlmattocks@checkmi.com] >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:10 AM >> >> >> To: BCM OASIS >> >> >> Subject: [bcm] Applying BCM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To help BCM move forward I propose that the next phase of >> evolution >> >> be >> >> >> focused on 'Applying BCM '. Wherein, the SOA application is > specified >> >> > using >> >> >> a Specific Type of Business Driver and a Service Oriented set of >> >> >> Templates >> >> > / >> >> >> ontology used by Specific type of Community of Interest. In >> >> particular, >> >> >> I >> >> >> suggest that : >> >> >> Business Driver = COMPLIANCE of information systems, as in, >> >> information >> >> >> reports demanded by Sarbanes Oxley, Patriot Act, etc . >> >> >> Service Oriented Templates / ontology = XRBRL [ >> >> >> http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2002-03-05-a.html ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If we can reach agreement that the next phase is about delivering >> a >> >> >> methodology examplar which a majority of Business Service >> Architects >> > can >> >> >> 'deeply' relate to - I would be willing to act as co-chair. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- -- Carl Mattocks CEO CHECKMi Operational Intelligence OEM ------------------------------- e-Business Agents Semantically Smart Compendiums ------------------------------- v/f (usa) 908 322 8715 www.CHECKMi.com
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